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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 16, 2018 8:27:00 GMT -5
Which is one of your favorite scenes that you like to watch for in the pilot? Can you think of any of the lines which you think Dirk would not have said as Face? The scene between Hannibal and B.A. on the way to the airport probably ranks as my favorite from the pilot. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I think some of the lines might have been the same, but I wonder if Tim was given little direction on how to say them. The whole scene with the priest in the hospital sounded flat. It just didn't feel like Face to me at all, especially since it didn't sound sincere or like he was running a scam. I'm not sure what the scene would have read for Dirk, but I feel like it was flat for Tim. Whether due to writing or acting, I don't know. It would be interesting to hear if he remembers anything from the pilot about script changes, direction on how to act a scene, interaction with SJC, etc. We might get a better insight.
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Post by sidney on Feb 16, 2018 20:54:28 GMT -5
That's one of my favourite scenes, too. I think I've laughed out loud when that airplane flies overhead moreso than at any other point in the entire series.
First(!)Face ran the scam differently, too. He seemed more like he was scamming, to be honest. When Dirk's Face runs scams for the rest of the series, he's so obviously over the top, you know he's confident as he does them. There's no chance they won't work. But Tim's Face seemed like he was hopeful that they'll believe him. Maybe because his scam was plausible and he used a regular voice.
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Post by juniberry on Feb 19, 2018 20:27:52 GMT -5
See now I thought Tim’s Face did the scams brilliantly
having got one plane for nothing he gets another from the same company with free use for several days because of a hat. As for the manipulation for the film company, the government paying for all the ‘props’ that’s two mega scams. But Tim played a confident money man, Dirk’s Face was a confident money man but his scams often made him out to be dim or lowly paid, the exterminator the cleaner and so on. He talked about bigger scams but we didn’t see them on camera actually happening vey often. Classic Hooday in the hills passport scam discussed but not seen.
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Post by amyk on Feb 19, 2018 22:27:02 GMT -5
I think one of Dirk's Face's biggest scams was WINE FOR BREAKFAST in RANGE RIDER.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 20, 2018 10:03:30 GMT -5
See now I thought Tim’s Face did the scams brilliantly having got one plane for nothing he gets another from the same company with free use for several days because of a hat. As for the manipulation for the film company, the government paying for all the ‘props’ that’s two mega scams. But Tim played a confident money man, Dirk’s Face was a confident money man but his scams often made him out to be dim or lowly paid, the exterminator the cleaner and so on. He talked about bigger scams but we didn’t see them on camera actually happening vey often. Classic Hooday in the hills passport scam discussed but not seen. I think the scams were fine, but I think he sounded different. At the airline rental agency, I think he did a good job. I thought he was over the top in a bad way with the government. Plus, he mentioned that he failed. I never really recall Face failing...and I think that was because of the way he was written as being egged on by Hannibal. Tim and George didn't have that dynamic.
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Post by juniberry on Feb 20, 2018 12:00:09 GMT -5
Holiday in the hills. Murdock had to scam the plane as Face was to busy with passports and Face then got a berating from Hannibal for not doing a good job. (Sloppiest job ever) The car jacking and selling (not sure the proper name) the mafia type bad guy sees straight through Face and empties his wallet making comment about all the fake cards. Last series when Murdock becomes a James Bond style character because Hannibal says they would see straight through Face if he played the spy. i agree Face was brilliant at the scams but there were a few failures and mistakes due to being over the top. I’m sure a couple more were mentioned but not seen in episodes. When Dirk Face goes to the filming of the monster movie and ends up playing the lead he’s quite over the top and theatrical like Tim Face was in the pilot so may be the directors said when doing a movie scam be over the top. i still think Dirk Face was the right choice just for different reasons lol
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Post by sidney on Feb 20, 2018 19:55:08 GMT -5
I don't know what it is about Dirk, but I know I'd fall for his scams. Tim was very cute, but he doesn't have me feeling like a jibbering flirty girl. Dirk's Face would totally. I'd be giving him everything he wanted, I just know it. And I don't even find him that attractive.
Maybe I'm just star struck because it *IS* Dirk Benedict, after all.
It's just something he brings to the table as the character.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 21, 2018 8:05:44 GMT -5
Holiday in the hills. Murdock had to scam the plane as Face was to busy with passports and Face then got a berating from Hannibal for not doing a good job. (Sloppiest job ever) The car jacking and selling (not sure the proper name) the mafia type bad guy sees straight through Face and empties his wallet making comment about all the fake cards. Last series when Murdock becomes a James Bond style character because Hannibal says they would see straight through Face if he played the spy. i agree Face was brilliant at the scams but there were a few failures and mistakes due to being over the top. I’m sure a couple more were mentioned but not seen in episodes. When Dirk Face goes to the filming of the monster movie and ends up playing the lead he’s quite over the top and theatrical like Tim Face was in the pilot so may be the directors said when doing a movie scam be over the top. i still think Dirk Face was the right choice just for different reasons lol I don't see his scams so much as failures in those as Hannibal pushing him a la the first example. In CHOPPING SPREE, he was caught cheating with the boss's girl and managed to get around it the first time, but then was caught again. Criminals are notoriously suspicious, so it makes sense he was keeping an eye on Face. To me, Face should have played James Bond. They did it with Murdock for laughs, but Murdock was clearly over the top too. I think Tim could have grown into the role, absolutely, but I always felt that his part in the pilot episode was the least necessary. I never really got that overall with Dirk.
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