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Post by Bexii on Jul 20, 2017 14:41:27 GMT -5
I vote that we officially dub Fake!Face as Hairman from this day forth Children of Jamestown will be my next watch, so I can check out whether Murdock is called "Howlin' Mad" again there. I always figured that Mudsucker wasn't an actual racial slur because I very much doubt they could have gotten away with it with Mr T. However, today I am not so sure. I googled it because I was curious and two things came up 1) a fish and the second was something on Urban Dictionary, which can hardly be taken seriously anyway. So I am going to go with your explanation, HD, about sucking mud Also agree about the BA/Hannibal moment at the airport. Not sure which one is funniest - when the first plane goes overhead or the second lol
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 20, 2017 15:18:01 GMT -5
I vote that we officially dub Fake!Face as Hairman from this day forth Children of Jamestown will be my next watch, so I can check out whether Murdock is called "Howlin' Mad" again there. I always figured that Mudsucker wasn't an actual racial slur because I very much doubt they could have gotten away with it with Mr T. However, today I am not so sure. I googled it because I was curious and two things came up 1) a fish and the second was something on Urban Dictionary, which can hardly be taken seriously anyway. So I am going to go with your explanation, HD, about sucking mud Also agree about the BA/Hannibal moment at the airport. Not sure which one is funniest - when the first plane goes overhead or the second lol I'm good with that. Let me know on CHILDREN OF JAMESTOWN. I know there is at least one more episode, maybe BLACK DAY AT BAD ROCK, but I can't think of it. Mudsucker just sounded so literal in my mind as a kid that I keep it that way. I think the second one might be the funniest.
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Post by amyk on Jul 20, 2017 22:01:41 GMT -5
I like the newly christened "Hairman" name!
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Post by kellie on Aug 16, 2017 14:46:18 GMT -5
The pilot is quite a good episode, especially Murdock, he seems more crazy in this than ever! Love the shaved bald patches! Always makes me laugh that! Not having Dirk as Face is the only thing that spoils it a bit, you can see why they changed him, he looks like he should be in Baywatch or something not the A Team! Dirk fit in so much better straight away. I saw on YouTube Dwight & Dirk at a convention & Dwight saying they didn't even know Face had been re cast until they turned up for filming one day, but took to Dirk straight away. Wonder why they didn't consider him in the first place.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Aug 16, 2017 16:43:23 GMT -5
The pilot is quite a good episode, especially Murdock, he seems more crazy in this than ever! Love the shaved bald patches! Always makes me laugh that! Not having Dirk as Face is the only thing that spoils it a bit, you can see why they changed him, he looks like he should be in Baywatch or something not the A Team! Dirk fit in so much better straight away. I saw on YouTube Dwight & Dirk at a convention & Dwight saying they didn't even know Face had been re cast until they turned up for filming one day, but took to Dirk straight away. Wonder why they didn't consider him in the first place. They did consider him, but the studio made SJC decide between George Peppard or Dirk Benedict because both had their bad press in Hollywood. So SJC chose Hannibal and when the pilot got picked up for a series, he made the condition that they had to recast the Face character.
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Post by kellie on Aug 17, 2017 12:34:18 GMT -5
The pilot is quite a good episode, especially Murdock, he seems more crazy in this than ever! Love the shaved bald patches! Always makes me laugh that! Not having Dirk as Face is the only thing that spoils it a bit, you can see why they changed him, he looks like he should be in Baywatch or something not the A Team! Dirk fit in so much better straight away. I saw on YouTube Dwight & Dirk at a convention & Dwight saying they didn't even know Face had been re cast until they turned up for filming one day, but took to Dirk straight away. Wonder why they didn't consider him in the first place. They did consider him, but the studio made SJC decide between George Peppard or Dirk Benedict because both had their bad press in Hollywood. So SJC chose Hannibal and when the pilot got picked up for a series, he made the condition that they had to recast the Face character. Oh wow, didn't know that! I knew Peppard had a bit of bad publicity, didn't seem to put them off choosing him for Hannibal though. Didn't know Dirk had bad press though. So, they ended up with both in the end after all! After making him choose between them! Ha ha, funny how that worked out, like it was fate or something. Also, it's funny how Dwight was gonna fired & Murdock re cast after the first series or episode & the first Face guy felt really sorry for him, then Dwight was so popular as Murdock they kept him & the first Face got the boot! Again, it's like these guys were always meant to come together. And it was gonna happen one way or another. ππ»
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Aug 17, 2017 13:23:53 GMT -5
They did consider him, but the studio made SJC decide between George Peppard or Dirk Benedict because both had their bad press in Hollywood. So SJC chose Hannibal and when the pilot got picked up for a series, he made the condition that they had to recast the Face character. Oh wow, didn't know that! I knew Peppard had a bit of bad publicity, didn't seem to put them off choosing him for Hannibal though. Didn't know Dirk had bad press though. So, they ended up with both in the end after all! After making him choose between them! Ha ha, funny how that worked out, like it was fate or something. Also, it's funny how Dwight was gonna fired & Murdock re cast after the first series or episode & the first Face guy felt really sorry for him, then Dwight was so popular as Murdock they kept him & the first Face got the boot! Again, it's like these guys were always meant to come together. And it was gonna happen one way or another. ππ» It definitely seems like kismet! That's why some of the first season episodes have Murdock and Amy together trying to catch up to the team, such as BLACK ROCK and ONE MORE TIME. They had been re-written with Murdock gone and then had to write him back in.
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Post by kellie on Aug 18, 2017 9:08:19 GMT -5
Oh wow, didn't know that! I knew Peppard had a bit of bad publicity, didn't seem to put them off choosing him for Hannibal though. Didn't know Dirk had bad press though. So, they ended up with both in the end after all! After making him choose between them! Ha ha, funny how that worked out, like it was fate or something. Also, it's funny how Dwight was gonna fired & Murdock re cast after the first series or episode & the first Face guy felt really sorry for him, then Dwight was so popular as Murdock they kept him & the first Face got the boot! Again, it's like these guys were always meant to come together. And it was gonna happen one way or another. ππ» It definitely seems like kismet! That's why some of the first season episodes have Murdock and Amy together trying to catch up to the team, such as BLACK ROCK and ONE MORE TIME. They had been re-written with Murdock gone and then had to write him back in. So, in a couple he wasn't supposed to be in them, they changed their minds then put him back in? Ha. Had he already filmed the scenes & they pulled them then put them back in, or did Dwight have to film New scenes once they put him back in? Wow, how things worked out! I think Dwight was right aswell, when he said he wanted it to go to 7 seasons & it could have. I always find his T shirts in the very last 2 episodes quite sad to see, coz you know what they mean & that it was coming to the end. I bet they was sad for it to end. Wonder if they ever thought it would stand the test of time & still be going today, just as popular. And also getting new fans, as well as us old timer fans! π
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Post by amyk on Aug 19, 2017 22:17:40 GMT -5
I think it is good that the show ended when it did, unless they would have turned things around in season 5. I just don't think adding the Stockwell and Frankie characters actually helped to improve the show.
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Post by kellie on Aug 24, 2017 14:26:31 GMT -5
I'm watching this episode tonight, with my dad & uncle. My uncle has never seen it. So will be interesting to see his take on it.
They could have kept it going for longer & not introduced the Frankie character. Everybody loves it just being the 4 guys. If the higher up people had thought more of the show & put more effort into it it could've gone on for years later. Dwight always says they wanted it to go on for 7 years & it could have. I still say they should make a reunion episode or series with the 3 guys coming back as their characters for it, the A Team 30 years on, the brains behind it now, rather than the brawn. With a decent story it would be massive! I bet Dwight & Dirk would be up for it, Mr T might take some persuading, but he always says he loves the show & the other guys aswell.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Aug 8, 2018 13:46:52 GMT -5
They did consider him, but the studio made SJC decide between George Peppard or Dirk Benedict because both had their bad press in Hollywood. So SJC chose Hannibal and when the pilot got picked up for a series, he made the condition that they had to recast the Face character. Why did Dirk have bad press in Hollywood? BATTLESTAR GALLACTICA was considered a failure and Face was part of that.
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Post by juniberry on Aug 9, 2018 2:22:21 GMT -5
Why did Dirk have bad press in Hollywood? BATTLESTAR GALLACTICA was considered a failure and Face was part of that. And he already had a reputation for being a βladiesβ man. His book is an eye opener!
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Aug 9, 2018 8:32:55 GMT -5
BATTLESTAR GALLACTICA was considered a failure and Face was part of that. And he already had a reputation for being a βladiesβ man. His book is an eye opener! Doesn't he have two out? Which one are you referencing? I haven't read either sadly.
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Post by amyk on Mar 1, 2020 20:27:29 GMT -5
I'm watching this one again....decided to maybe try to watch at least an episode a month, although we'll see how that goes. Anyway, perhaps this has been commented on, but when Amy is looking at Face's file, we see his birth certificate. It says his first name is "Templeton" and his middle name is "Arthur." Was "Arthur" AJ Bancroft's first name? If so, it does lend some credence to AJ actually being Face's dad. If there was this birth certificate with Face's name as "Templeton Arther" (and presumably "Peck" as the last name, although I didn't notice that), then can't we assume this was Face's name given at birth, despite EG in MIND GAMES saying that Face had changed his name numerous times before settling on Templeton Peck? Or do we assume that Face managed to get a fake birth certificate into his military file?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 1, 2020 20:41:30 GMT -5
I'm watching this one again....decided to maybe try to watch at least an episode a month, although we'll see how that goes. Anyway, perhaps this has been commented on, but when Amy is looking at Face's file, we see his birth certificate. It says his first name is "Templeton" and his middle name is "Arthur." Was "Arthur" AJ Bancroft's first name? If so, it does lend some credence to AJ actually being Face's dad. If there was this birth certificate with Face's name as "Templeton Arther" (and presumably "Peck" as the last name, although I didn't notice that), then can't we assume this was Face's name given at birth, despite EG in MIND GAMES saying that Face had changed his name numerous times before settling on Templeton Peck? Or do we assume that Face managed to get a fake birth certificate into his military file? I could see Face having substituted one for the name he was using. Although, he was known as Templeton Peck in college too, so maybe he randomly would go back to his real name?
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