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Post by cartoonlover on May 6, 2020 6:54:35 GMT -5
I thought the flashback scenes were forced whereas Sound of Thunder and Curtain Call used them more effectively.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on May 6, 2020 8:50:14 GMT -5
I thought the flashback scenes were forced whereas Sound of Thunder and Curtain Call used them more effectively. CURTAIN CALL was the best because we could remember with them since we had seen all of the episodes. I think that sold it better.
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Post by cartoonlover on May 6, 2020 12:25:39 GMT -5
I thought the flashback scenes were forced whereas Sound of Thunder and Curtain Call used them more effectively. CURTAIN CALL was the best because we could remember with them since we had seen all of the episodes. I think that sold it better. I think with any television show, incorporating sentimentality too soon won't be nearly as poignant as it would be when it's later on in a series. When you relate to the characters earlier on then youre likely going to feel more emotionally invested in their personalities and appreciate them more.
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Post by hasford1978 on May 22, 2020 11:52:18 GMT -5
This image of Hannibal was from a deleted scene from this episode wasn't it? I always found it strange it was included in the end credits, do we have any information about this scene and why it was dropped? Attachments:
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Post by amyk on May 23, 2020 22:24:11 GMT -5
I don't know anything about that image or about it being in the end credits....maybe I've just missed it? Or could it be that you have different end credits than me somehow?
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Post by hasford1978 on May 27, 2020 5:52:11 GMT -5
Yes this was on the end credits to this particular episode, so must've been a deleted scene but they forgot to take it out, i don't think this was the only deleted clip to be left in though, I'm sure there was more episodes which featured deleted material??
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Post by amyk on May 28, 2020 0:12:23 GMT -5
I do know for sure that there is a deleted clip which is included in the previews of one episode...I think it is KNIGHTS OF THE ROAD? The one where Face or Murdock talk about singing and dancing or something like that as they are holding guns on the bad guys.
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Post by Eclipse139 on Jul 6, 2020 14:14:17 GMT -5
Concluded my full season one rewatch today. There's a lot to love about this ep, one of the more serious ones - the only real lighter moments I suppose are seeing BA get mad about the damage to his van. The flashbacks seem like a cheap way of getting the team's back story with Ray into the ep, I would have loved to have seen them actually telling Trish those stories in person instead. It's very moving when they give their old friend full military honours at his funeral - I love seeing Hannibal giving the orders. I agree with previous comments about Murdock's uniform, though - they don't seem to have decided on his backstory properly at all. Is he Army or USAF? In the pilot Lynch says he flew with the Thunderbirds which I understand is the US equivalent of our Red Arrows, or the Canadian Snowbirds, so he was definitely Air Force at one stage. Is is possible he transferred so he could serve in Vietnam? The baddies are really nasty in this one. When Amy and Trish are barricading themselves into the house their fear is palpable. The way those men are threatening them is quite dark for The A Team. I love how Amy clings to Face when the guys get there, she was terrified! It was good they showed that side of her - the only other time she's really afraid is in CHILDREN OF JAMESTOWN and we've discussed whether this was in character, or not. I think she's pretty tough and in control most of the time, but occasionally - when things get really bad - she can be overcome by fear. She's not army trained, she's just a civilian. I think it's realistic and it makes her seem more realistic as a character.
Onto Season Two!
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Post by amyk on Jul 6, 2020 22:26:12 GMT -5
Yes, I think the fear in this episode seems more real....maybe because the violence being threatened is very terrifying and "in your face" and maybe because I'm a woman I feel more scared for Amy and Trish in this episode than I feel usually for others facing bad guys in other episodes, even though of course I know they will be okay.
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Post by amyk on Mar 9, 2021 1:38:30 GMT -5
I watched this one again Sunday night. It really is impressive to me that not only does the team pay for damages (before they even have occurred) at the diner, but also that they give the elderly couple $450 for the use of their car - and they don't even damage it!
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Post by Katia on Jan 27, 2023 18:28:25 GMT -5
(Sorry, guys-- I'll probably be dredging up a lot of old threads-- and posting epic-length replies-- since I'm coming in so late to the game...)
On the plus side, I do love how protective the guys are toward the ladies, storming up the steps like that. No surprise, Face and Murdock rush to comfort them while Hannibal heads straight upstairs in search of more firepower. Yeah, I also love the part where the ladies hug Face and Murdock. So jealous of Trish, lol. Especially since he just... doesn't... ever... let... go. (Which almost sort of makes you wonder a thing or two... like, I don't know many guys who, no matter what I'd been through, would do more than *maybe* just hug me quickly and leave it at that. It's not like she was falling apart or something; she was perfectly calm.) He is actually wearing an army aviator uniform in the pictures. We know he eventually must have transferred to Army IF he was USAF. So it isn't very canon to make it blue, but I don't have any other good uniform pics to work with. I still believe in Army murdock haha. All his patches indicate army life. If he transferred his medals, citations and badges would have transferred with him. He just doesn't have airforce ones. But luckily it's all fantasy. Where Dwight was concerned he was army. Let's say Murdock will always stay a mystery. There are a few instances where you get the idea Murdock may have quite the backstory. I mean, he worked with the CIA? (I feel like they got a bit heavy-handed with the "Murdock Iz Kewl" backstory stuff, but hey, it was the 80s and the concept of a Mary Sue hadn't been invented yet...) I think the van gets enough lovin' from BA....maybe that's why he rarely finds a woman he can fall for....he's in love with his van! *Cue Roger Taylor* When I commented on the cheesy voiceovers, I meant the voiceovers nearer to the beginning of the episode, like with Murdock talking about the license plates, not the flashbacks when the team members reminisce (is that spelled right?) about Ray. I still don't really feel that Ray was actually a part of the A-Team, but the photo that they all have with Ray may be evidence that he was indeed part of the actual team. We have not seen a photo of the team with any of the others that they just happened to know in 'Nam. Then again, we never really get anything with anyone else they were with... otherwise, maybe we might. (I do have him written into a small flashback scene in fanfic-- back during the war, Murdock catches some of the other guys in his unit harassing a Vietnamese woman and makes them stop. They tell him to come on by the next night when they're going to have some girls. Murdock shows up, all right... with Hannibal, B.A., Face, and Ray... let's just say the expected fun is not had...)
So the scene where Amy and Ray's widow defend the house with guns - it was dark (a good dark), a real sense of danger, and I think Amy did a really great job of using her initiative to protect them.... I really like that they gave Amy this scene. That's the best part about the whole show...their friendship, loyalty, and devotion to one another (in my opinion). But the characters also seem to really love one another, and I don't really see that kind of friendship in real life between guys very often. Maybe it is just the guys I know, but it doesn't seem to me like guys have a lot of really close friends, even though they may know many people. I honestly think it's different with military (and to a smaller extent, law enforcement and firefighters). And sometimes there are other scenarios in life where you're with a group of people, and you know you only have each other to depend on. It can create a closeness, and sometimes a sense that you stick together and have someone's back when the chips are down even if you might not even like them that much most of the time. Add to that the fact that maybe these guys also simply get on really well, and there you go. For men, there's always the macho-homophobic thing going on, so they're never going to let on that they care about another guy. Definitely also so in the military, but that's tempered by the camaraderie. Like, these guys. You know they'd do anything for each other, but there's no way in hell there'd ever be any "I love you, man!" moments.
Yeah, you're right, that's wht was great about it, the friendship, I especially like in THE DOCTOR IS OUT when Murdock says the doctor is ' the 4th most important person in his life', I always think 'aww', we know the guys are important to him, but to hear him pretty much say it is nice to hear. Or "Wheel of Fortune" where the prizes he picks are for them? Awwww. You're right, worst thing for me about S5 was bringing Frankie in. I hated them bringing in another person, especially when it's been the 4 of them for so long. Maybe that's why it felt like some of the camaraderie was gone? With the other four, it was believable because they had such a history. Frankie they didn't even choose the way they did Amy... he was just thrown in with them. I read somewhere GP said his feud with Mr T was blown out of proportion by the media, but at one point he went through Dirk & Dwight to speak to him, so it couldn't have been that blown up! Wonder if he was alive today if he would've let bygones be bygones and been friends, maybe done some appearances together. Or maybe they would have stayed estranged. From the little I've heard of GP and his ego, I'm guessing he was revising after the fact when he said that... (I mean, we know the media also likes to blow things up-- not sure if that was so much the case then as now, though-- but still.) I agree that the working for the government is really a negative thing. At least there are some S5 episodes where they do their own thing and aren't really working for the government, like WITHOUT RESERVATIONS. It's too bad they ended the show when they did. With the last two episodes, you sort of felt like maybe they were going to start shifting the team out of that situation. (I don't know... was the end of the show rather abrupt? It almost feels that way, with so few episodes in S5. Like maybe there could've been more, but somebody was like, "this isn't working anymore, pull the plug NOW.") I love Amy stabbing the fork into Deke's hand to get away at the cafe. YES. Go Amy! Not one of my favorite episodes. I like the idea of flashbacks, but the voiceovers were dumb in all of them to me, except for B.A. His was the best for me. Yeah, I thought the flashbacks were kind of dorky. I mean, like they just went way overboard with dumb scenarios to make Ray look like a stand-up guy. then again, they probably didn't have time for longer and more-subtle dialogue, so I guess they had to go with "short and obvious." I think the picture at the end was basically just snapped at some point while filming the episode when the team had on their military uniforms, thus probably when they filmed the funeral scene, and they just likely grabbed someone who worked on the show and dressed him in a uniform and said he's Ray. It would be interesting to know who is actually posing as Ray in that photo. Does anyone know? Almost makes you wonder if they'd planned to do more with Ray and then scrapped it... which might also explain the awkwardness of the flashbacks. My wife loves the picture at the end of the five of them and how they don't look ten years younger. And how B.A.'s got a pretty non-regulation set of hair on his face and head? (Part of me has this mental image of them going, "Okay, T, you're going to have to shave and maybe wear a wig" and he was like, "No way, sucka!" and that was the end of that.)
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Post by amyk on Jan 27, 2023 22:45:35 GMT -5
I think they must have known the end was likely there, or I don't know if they would have created that scene with just the four guys talking about what they would do when this (their working for Stockwell) was all over. I don't know, but I kind of suspect that they were allowed those 13 episodes (or however many) for season 5, and perhaps if things went well, the show would have been allowed to make a full season. But I suspect the ratings were pretty low for most or all of that season, at least after the court martial stuff.
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Post by Katia on Jan 28, 2023 18:39:31 GMT -5
Oh yes. By the last two episodes, I daresay they knew the writing on the wall (if nothing else, Murdock's shirts make that blatantly obvious; I don't mean that I think it was so abrupt as "they finished filming and were told 'well guys, that was the last one'" or anything). But, not sure when they would've started writing scripts/planning plots and if they knew at that point. It's possible they just wanted to strongly imply that the team was going to be pardoned or in some other way get free of Stockwell soon, to leave us with our imaginations after the show was over.
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Post by amyk on Jan 28, 2023 22:05:47 GMT -5
I kind of forgot about Murdock's shirts being the obvious sign that they knew it was the end.
I think a lot of fans wish that there was a "proper sendoff," but I'm somewhat ambivalent about that. It seems like series finales are often a disappointment. (Two shows in particular that I really liked, I hated the finales for!) So I'm kind of glad that it was just left the way it was. I definitely used my imagination (and borrowed someone else's too) in order to devise my own post-Stockwell A-TEAM future, and I like it that way.
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Post by Katia on Jan 30, 2023 19:37:26 GMT -5
I did like the last episode. That last little bit made it. I don't necessarily feel it was left unfinished. And frankly, I'm not sure how they would've managed the "pardon" bit... would be too clunky (both to decide: does the team get pardoned, or find out Stockwell never intended to and was stringing them along? How do they decide what to do after? What's the fallout of suddenly no longer having to be on the run? Etc.), so it's better they left it a cliffhanger. But... the hint at more makes me curious.
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