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Post by sidney on Jul 26, 2017 10:03:33 GMT -5
"Just a second! I don't have anything on!" Sounded innocent to me. She didn't sound like she was being seductive or flirtatious. "Steady, Face." "I'm TRYING, Hannibal!" This makes men seem like such victims to their urges. Seriously, real men can control themselves just fine. It's kind of the ignorant buttheads that can't. And again, Murdock is the creepiest. This is the look on his face during that exchange: Is he feeling too teased at this point? Where he's 'enjoying' himself too much? Or is he kind of sighing and feeling disappointed in Face having trouble controlling himself? And she opens the door. Notice that Face is looking her in the eye. It's Murdock being creepy and checking her out.
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Post by sidney on Jul 26, 2017 10:17:15 GMT -5
Why did she answer the door in a towel? She was the only one there. The others were outside at the pool. Did you want her to leave them waiting outside? She could have, but perhaps it wasn't a manipulative move. She just wanted to open the door for them and let them in. Now she has politely excused herself to throw something on, and Face almost follows her into the bedroom. She has to shut the door in his face. She did not look like any intent was on her face to be seductive. She was grinning quite sweetly. Not sexy at all. And here's the line that I hope is just a joke: Murdock: Now, a trick I found in sexually stressful situations is to focus your mind on something of a completely different nature. Take that Road and Track magazine and look at those cars. Take the eggs out of the refrigerator and practice juggling. Face: That's easy for your to say, Murdock, your mind doesn't focus! Me? I'm in agony. Now the three girls walk in in their bathing suits. Did you want them to put on house coats before they come inside? Hannibal can no longer think. Face is whimpering. BA is looking them up and down. Now, I will say this. Jenny walks by them without doing anything or insinuating anything. The other two girls are smiling wide. Very wide. They see BA looking at them and they look pleased. I don't think they wore the bathing suits for his benefit, but it does look like they are enjoying that he's looking at them. HOWEVER, THEY ARE NOT BEING SEDUCTIVE. THEY ARE NOT HITTING ON THEM. THEY ARE SIMPLY STANDING THERE. BA is actually in the wrong, looking them up and down. Here's something though... When Charlotte asks BA if there's anything she can help him with... The flirtatious tone of voice is leading. It sounds like she's coming on to him. I definitely think so there. That is really the first time in the entire episode where I feel she is wanting something with him. It's not necessarily sexual though. And now Face is just staring at them. He's taking the creepy to the next level here:
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Post by sidney on Jul 26, 2017 10:25:58 GMT -5
She has told him she's grateful. Her tone of voice wasn't leading, but then she does this: But it's still not manipulative or hot around the collar or anything. She doesn't 'want' anything by doing this. If he thinks this is an invitation for anything. He is wrong. However, it looks like Charlotte is enjoying this. It looks like Charlotte is laughing at Face having a hard time controlling himself.
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Post by sidney on Jul 26, 2017 10:37:07 GMT -5
She's definitely scared. But she's put her hands on his shoulders. That must mean she's hot and bothered for him. <<sarcasm>> I really do believe they are scared and they are looking up to the guys to protect them. In my opinion, the girls do not have a powerful position here. All the power is with the guys. By dating them afterwards, they are misusing this power. Look at her eyes. There is a reason why a doctor or psychiatrist or someone in power should not date a patient or a former patient, or someone that they hold power over. These girls - especially now that their hotel room was just shot up with automatic weapons - can throw themselves at them all they want at this point, and the guys should not participate. It disappoints me that they do.
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Post by sidney on Jul 26, 2017 11:30:08 GMT -5
Why do you think they have housecoats on now? Did they feel uncomfortable with the guys' stares? Or perhaps Hannibal told them to? Having all three guys tail them and take turns taking over was smart. I liked that. One thing I will say is Charlotte acts towards her brother very touchy and smiley, like she does towards the team. Either she's also manipulating her brother seductively, or she really isn't coming onto our guys. Hannibal just called the Bells 'four little orphan girls'. And he just said the guy was worth billions, so why was he interested in 'this little singing group', which tells me they aren't that famous. Face looks at them a little creepily. When she realizes her brother is taken, she holds Hannibal, and then BA, crying. I don't feel that is coming on to them at all.
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Post by sidney on Jul 26, 2017 11:35:42 GMT -5
How did the A-Team win? I don't understand.
The Bells will perform, but is that the end of it? If this guy is as ruthless and as rich and powerful as we are led to believe, how can this be the end of it? They shot at him, making him flip his car. How is that the end of it?
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Post by sidney on Jul 26, 2017 11:50:55 GMT -5
This is the girl with scared eyes again. She is holding onto him again. I wonder if it's because she's coming on to him or if she's scared and looking for reassurance. I don't think there's anyway to be 100%. Charlotte: With all the flakes we meet, it's really nice to finally meet some real MEN. (Girl with scared eyes joins in for the last word.) Girl with long hair: I like Faceman. I think he's so cute. Charlotte: BA. He's so strong and silent. Girl with scared eyes: Mmmm... Hannibal. He holds them all together, girls. Jenny: And Murdock. He's hot. I mean, really HOT (Long Hair girl joins in on the last word.) Charlotte: I get the feeling that all of these guys are really interested, but Hannibal won't let them come on to us. I mean, what are we? Chopped liver?This is after the job is done and everything is supposedly safe. Hannibal: Now the case is over, and I wanna go date those girls! Whaddya say, Captain? Murdock: <<dismisses it, preoccupied with the Gipper>> Hannibal: PLEASE, MURDOCK! Well, I've seen enough of this game and *I'M* gonna win one for the gipper.I personally think Hannibal is gross there. Even with the little talk the girls had at the end where they're unhappy the guys haven't tried anything, I still don't believe they were coming onto the guys during the episode. Certainly in no way to cause the guys to be defenseless against them. The most I saw was them in their bathing suits for a scene where they just came in from the pool, a couple of times where they put an arm on one of them, and the way Charlotte asked BA if she could help him with anything. Otherwise I maintain they were completely innocent and were not causing the poor men to battle with their self-control. They were not asking for anything. I have literally analyzed and documented every moment between the team and these girls. I think it's unfortunate that public opinion is these girls wanted them and deserved to be treated like sexual objects. (I remember these conversations from other forums.) To me that just proves that people feel women are sexual objects and have to dress and behave a certain way so that men can live their lives without losing control. Heaven forbid she answers the door with a towel on. That is definitely inviting the advances. Oh, they were wearing swimsuits at a swimmimg pool. It's all just so sad. And it really can answer a lot of questions for me about how someone as misogynistic as Trump can become president of the USA and have people ignore horrible things he says and does to and about women, and even defend him. The world sucks.
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Post by sidney on Jul 26, 2017 12:12:08 GMT -5
Belt Loop.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 26, 2017 14:38:26 GMT -5
Charlotte has just said that they are performing at a benefit for a charity they've supported for years. That makes me think they are more established as a performing act. Hannibal said they'd made the dollar arrangements later. It's not a free gig. But here they are, being taken for 90% of what they're making, and the team is going to charge them? I hope the dollar arrangements he's going to make isn't very much. Maybe he'll get it out of the bad guy like he can do. Okay, one of the Bells just said, "So, what's your name?" I wonder if that's supposed to be flirtatious? Maybe. Face looks overjoyed at the attention. Charlotte said 'Hi' flirtatiously to BA. And now a third Bell is introducing herself. And Murdock says, "As soon as I find out who I am, you'll be the first to know, Jenny." The writers have paired them up at this point. That was really forced. *IF* I was looking for reasons to believe they use their celebrity and sexuality to manipulate the guys, this would be proof of that. They were scared one moment, Hannibal brings up money, and now they all pick a guy and flirtatiously introduce themselves? However, it wasn't anything more than introducing themselves with smiles. Murdock's tone of voice was the most sultry. In fact, Hannibal is talking to them, and Murdock looks like a serial killer or something, staring at the girls like this: View AttachmentBA *could* be checking out Charlotte at this angle, and Face is the only one looking normal. I am not saying that the mutual attraction isn't forced on both sides. However, I think there is definitely a mutual attraction, especially based on what you have here. I fully believe it was forced for everyone with the likely exception of Face. I think it's nice that B.A. and Murdock got to be involved in the "romantic" side of it though. I think this is an example where it can be viewed every way and it's right all around. The girls are not doing anything shameful or "dressing" the part, but the guys aren't really acting a different way either. Maybe they have these conversations a lot to tease Face or whatnot. I think it's just a poorly written episode and the pairing of the team is an example of it.
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Post by sidney on Jul 26, 2017 15:36:21 GMT -5
I don't think I ever want to hear that the girls aren't innocent and are playing their part in the game again.
My team can do no wrong. But the writers sure did.
Let's stop blaming the women for the team using them though. Let's stop saying it's okay to use these women, and it wouldn't be okay to use other women, whom didn't smile as much, or didn't wear a bathing suit at a pool, or didn't touch Hannibal's shoulders when she was frightened.
And amyk, let me stop you right there, before you say the girls are very much willing participants in various episodes. No one deserves to be used. Face doesn't deserve to be used either. If a woman is just kissing him to be in his movie, he's being used and that's wrong, but that woman doesn't deserve to be used either.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 26, 2017 16:20:22 GMT -5
I don't think I ever want to hear that the girls aren't innocent and are playing their part in the game again. My team can do no wrong. But the writers sure did. Let's stop blaming the women for the team using them though. Let's stop saying it's okay to use these women, and it wouldn't be okay to use other women, whom didn't smile as much, or didn't wear a bathing suit at a pool, or didn't touch Hannibal's shoulders when she was frightened. And amyk, let me stop you right there, before you say the girls are very much willing participants in various episodes. No one deserves to be used. Face doesn't deserve to be used either. If a woman is just kissing him to be in his movie, he's being used and that's wrong, but that woman doesn't deserve to be used either. I guess I have never looked at it that anyone is right to being used. Having read commentaries on this site over the years, I have never seen anyone suggest that being used is okay or a good thing. In fact, most seem to say that it's too bad Face is always hitting on women and conning them, even though that is his team talent. When anyone is being used, of any gender, for any reason, it's wrong. Is it sad that it's entertainment value? Yes.
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Post by sidney on Jul 26, 2017 19:23:21 GMT -5
But if you read old threads, you will certainly see posters who feel the women were asking for it, or they deserved it, or condoning because they, too, were *probably* just using Face.
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Post by amyk on Jul 26, 2017 22:41:23 GMT -5
The synopsis says there was no money to get. I doubt they were very famous and used to using men to get what they want, as you mentioned, amyk. I don't think they had any power at all. Murdock just told Hannibal that 'these are true leader, unlike any leaders that I've been exposed to.' Isn't Hannibal his leader? Wasn't Hannibal his colonel? View AttachmentI hate that part when Murdock says that about the leaders and feel like it sounds like a slam against Hannibal, although I don't think Murdock would ever have intended it that way.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Jul 27, 2017 7:25:02 GMT -5
But if you read old threads, you will certainly see posters who feel the women were asking for it, or they deserved it, or condoning because they, too, were *probably* just using Face. I'm not saying there might not be people seeing it that way. However, I think overall most people do not see that being the case with the Bells or with the team for that matter. To me, there is nothing wrong with a mutual attraction being fulfilled on either side. AmyK: I think it was a general comment. I think Murdock was referring to past leaders, not so much Hannibal in the current context.
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Post by amyk on Jul 27, 2017 20:56:12 GMT -5
Maybe Murdock is talking about leaders on a larger scale, like Presidents or something.
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