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Post by amyk on Jan 19, 2019 20:47:02 GMT -5
I watched this one tonight. I only give it a 7 on the Sidney scale. Part of my problem with it is that basically it seems to be a "non-canon" episode, since it seems in season 5 that the episode never happened. There is no follow-up concerning Tia, there is no mention of the fact that the team "kidnapped" (from the US government's perspective) General Fulbright (and never returned him alive), etc. I also find the stuff about Mai Lin confusing, i.e., why did she turn on Tia? And also find it highly unlikely that Tia can defeat the A-TEAM and escape only moments later to be so easily captured by just Face and Murdock. Plus, I think it is unlikely that she would so immediately turn around and become "one of the team."
But there are things about this episode that I do like, and I wish I could like it even more. I still wish that the team had actually gone looking for Morrison, i.e. that this was not just a ruse by Fulbright to get them over to Vietnam to help him. I love the whole "Eve of Destruction" flashback scene.
I don't remember before hearing Hannibal say that Col. Morrison was killed in Phnom Penh. That's what he said when he and Fulbright were talking after they dunked Fulbright in that water. This seems to never be discussed in fanfiction, does it? Is that where the headquarters would have been?
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Post by juniberry on Jan 24, 2019 13:28:23 GMT -5
Good pick up. As Phnom Penh is the capital of Cambodia and at the start of season five we learn Morrison was killed on the base it makes it hard to believe it was Phnom Penh as although the US soldiers entered Cambodia they couldn’t have had a base in a neutral territory....a base they had a helicopter landing pad and flew teams in and out of...in Cambodia? May be that’s why the episode ‘never happened’ In season five.
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Post by amyk on Jan 25, 2019 19:40:53 GMT -5
I think I have to sort of pretend it never happened either, because it may conflict with a fanfiction I've written if Morrison actually died in Phnom Penh. I'm too ignorant about that part of the world and the Vietnam War to understand....why would Morrison have been killed in Phnom Penh? Was this connected with the Vietnam War? I know a little about the Khmer Rouge killing fields, but wasn't that after the Vietnam War? Can someone please educate me?
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Post by juniberry on Jan 26, 2019 10:37:14 GMT -5
The VC set up trails and camps through Cambodia (and Laos). It was a ‘safe’ place for them as Americans were not permitted to enter the country to fight. But Special Forces and the CIA did a lot on black ops. Hannibal and BA did a covert patrol in Cambodia as mentioned in the episode with the diamond mine in Africa. I have a fan fiction about the Cambodia mission.
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Post by amyk on Jan 26, 2019 15:00:23 GMT -5
So Morrison could have been there, perhaps illegally, and died there in Phnom Penh? However, in DISHPAN MAN, they say that Curtis was also there and I think they talk about the place where Morrison died as being HQ sometime in Season 5. There would not have been a headquarters in Phnom Penh, right?
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Post by juniberry on Jan 26, 2019 17:29:54 GMT -5
No he couldn’t have been in Cambodia and in a place called HQ which Murdock flew back into and landed after dropping the team off for the Bank Job. As the only way the US went in Cambodia was parachuting in or walking.
In The trial trillogy we know ‘the base’ was shelled killing Morrison there was no US base in Cambodia.
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Post by amyk on Jan 26, 2019 19:04:46 GMT -5
I don't mind some inconsistencies in the show, but I wish that they had had some kind of idea where they wanted to go in season 5 before they wrote and filmed this season 4 episode and that the stuff which happened in season 5 would have been consistent with this episode, particularly since it is involving the whole reason that they are on the run.
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Post by scott on Mar 9, 2020 3:05:46 GMT -5
I love this episode, showing that the series could be a bit more serious. It's nice that Universal footed the bill for the continued use of Eve of Destruction in current TV broadcasts, and the various disc releases. You have to let go of the inconsistencies between this episode and season 5, as they changed direction after Tia Carrere could not get out of her General Hospital contract. Although, there could have been some "throwaway" line in season 5 that explained what happened to her.
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Post by amyk on Mar 10, 2020 22:08:36 GMT -5
Yeah, at least they had a "throwaway line" or two about Amy's being gone when Tawnia joined up with the team.
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Post by scott on Mar 11, 2020 2:12:54 GMT -5
Yep, but maybe they thought no one would care since time passed between the 4th and 5th season. We do care about that sorta thing!  |
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Mar 11, 2020 8:51:43 GMT -5
Yep, but maybe they thought no one would care since time passed between the 4th and 5th season. We do care about that sorta thing! We care now, but did you care back then, Scott? Did you!?  |
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Post by scott on Mar 11, 2020 11:59:28 GMT -5
LOL...yes HD, I did care back then.
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Post by amyk on Mar 11, 2020 23:44:31 GMT -5
By the time the fifth season rolled around, I was in college, and I don't even know that I watched it then, believe it or not. I also think the move to Friday nights (if I remember correctly) was not exactly the best thing. So I doubt that I cared about what happened to Tia, and I may not have even been watching by the time the fifth season aired originally.
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Post by cartoonlover on May 28, 2020 12:33:52 GMT -5
Ik that Sound of Thunder is the highest rated A-Team episode on T.V. com with a 9.5 rating but I don't entirely agree with that..? This one got better on a rewatch but I won't dispute that there are powerful moments here. Those moments did stick with me. I found it somber too because Season Five was right around the corner if you were to go in order. This is one of those episodes that would benefited either being a two-parter or three-parter even because this is a story that has scale/scope with a lot of depth in the characters. There is a sense of rushing going on in this. Again forty-five mins is too short for this.
Rating: 7.5/10
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Post by HoudiniDerek on May 28, 2020 14:36:03 GMT -5
Ik that Sound of Thunder is the highest rated A-Team episode on T.V. com with a 9.5 rating but I don't entirely agree with that..? This one got better on a rewatch but I won't dispute that there are powerful moments here. Those moments did stick with me. I found it somber too because Season Five was right around the corner if you were to go in order. This is one of those episodes that would benefited either being a two-parter or three-parter even because this is a story that has scale/scope with a lot of depth in the characters. There is a sense of rushing going on in this. Again forty-five mins is too short for this. Rating: 7.5/10 I will agree that this is too short for all of the history we could have had. Also, it could have set up Season 5 better for what ended up happening. |
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