Order of Who Enjoys the Jazz the Most

[sidney]

Murdock
Face
Hannibal
BA
Amy
Tawnia
Frankie


Rate them from who enjoys the jazz the most to who enjoys the jazz the least!

[amyk]

This is what I came up with just rather quickly, not trying to over-think anything:

Hannibal
Murdock
Amy
Tawnia
Frankie
Face
BA

[Katia]

Hm...

Hannibal (obviously)
Murdock (simply because the jobs seem to really do something for him, socially)
Amy (also a bit obvious)

The rest are harder. I don't know if B.A. is into the jazz, or just doing what needs to be done. He does like beating up bad guys; maybe that counts. Face... I think could take it or leave it if he had options (as we see in "Mind Games"). Frankie... just got pulled into this, poor sap. Tawnia... I don't know if her thing is "the jazz" or just wanted to hang out with "the cool kids."

[akin]

I suppose it depends on how you define the Jazz, if it is the action, then probably all of them. If it is Hannibal's maddness than most definitely Face is at the rear end, he seems like such a practical guy and when Hannibal goes into his crazy, there is only so much he can do to reign him in somehow

What I actually noticed in the show is that Hannibal does listen to what Face has to say and actually takes it into consideration just....acts as Hannibal.

[amyk]

Perhaps without Face (and BA, to some degree) to reign him in, Hannibal would take risks that would not always turn out so well.

[Katia]

Aug 23, 2023 17:56:50 GMT -5 amyk said:

Perhaps without Face (and BA, to some degree) to reign him in, Hannibal would take risks that would not always turn out so well.

Ooh.  I never thought about this before, but I bet you're right!  I've always seen Hannibal as sort of... having a disregard for his own safety/lack of a sense of self-preservation (I haven't decided if he's partly suicidal, or just... has been around so much that he doesn't care*, or perhaps simply reckless/careless, or maybe is more into adventure/winning than preserving his life/health).

*I think I've posted before this little part, with my OC talking to Hannibal some time when he's completely disregarding danger:

    "It's like you aren't even afraid of getting killed.” Hannibal looked her straight in the eye, very seriously.
    “I've seen enough death that it doesn't impress me anymore.”

[akin]

Aug 23, 2023 21:43:15 GMT -5 Katia said:

Aug 23, 2023 17:56:50 GMT -5 amyk said:

Perhaps without Face (and BA, to some degree) to reign him in, Hannibal would take risks that would not always turn out so well.

Ooh.  I never thought about this before, but I bet you're right!  I've always seen Hannibal as sort of... having a disregard for his own safety/lack of a sense of self-preservation (I haven't decided if he's partly suicidal, or just... has been around so much that he doesn't care*, or perhaps simply reckless/careless, or maybe is more into adventure/winning than preserving his life/health).

*I think I've posted before this little part, with my OC talking to Hannibal some time when he's completely disregarding danger:

    "It's like you aren't even afraid of getting killed.” Hannibal looked her straight in the eye, very seriously.
    “I've seen enough death that it doesn't impress me anymore.”

I think it was mentinoed in the second episode in Children of Jamestown. They all agreed that they have come to terms with the possibility of dying and that allows them to act the way they do. As for Hannibal, I see him as a bit of adrenalin addict. It is only fun if the stakes are high, plus he usually wins, so there is no real reason for him to doubt the way he is doing things. Of course, were this show rated for older audience, this would be different, but it is what it is and Hannibal's coolness is exactly in his larger-than-life personality. I am not surprised that despite seeing all his shortcomings the guys still follow him.

Hannibal probably realizes that the team works that well exatly because they are so different and because Face, while complaining and whining, has actually a very good head and guts to point out what does not work. When I think about it, working under him as leader must be actually quite fun, lots of challenges, space for development and new unusual projects with rewarding feeling of serving the larger good 

[amyk]

I do think Hannibal is a good leader and respects what others tell him. While there is a bit of arrogance about him, or perhaps "cockiness," I think that he is still smart enough to know when he needs to go along with someone else's ideas. He always seems open to suggestions from the others. And I think he is wise enough to know when to fight and when not to fight, even when to surrender if necessary.

[Katia]

Aug 24, 2023 12:28:25 GMT -5 akin said:

I think it was mentinoed in the second episode in Children of Jamestown. They all agreed that they have come to terms with the possibility of dying and that allows them to act the way they do. 

Yes, that's the episode.  Though, being accepting of the fact that one might die doesn't necessarily mean you want to... you just know it's a possibility and you accept that possibility because whatever you're doing that's dangerous is worth it.  It doesn't mean you reject a sense of self-preservation, though.  However, Hannibal's attitude at times seems to almost be like it absolutely doesn't matter to him at all.  "I might die?  Sounds fun!"

Aug 24, 2023 19:08:23 GMT -5 amyk said:

I do think Hannibal is a good leader and respects what others tell him. While there is a bit of arrogance about him, or perhaps "cockiness," I think that he is still smart enough to know when he needs to go along with someone else's ideas. He always seems open to suggestions from the others. And I think he is wise enough to know when to fight and when not to fight, even when to surrender if necessary.

Sometimes he really is, even at times that surprise me (even in situations where I think in other episodes, they would fight).

[akin]

Aug 24, 2023 21:03:05 GMT -5 Katia said:

Aug 24, 2023 12:28:25 GMT -5 akin said:

I think it was mentinoed in the second episode in Children of Jamestown. They all agreed that they have come to terms with the possibility of dying and that allows them to act the way they do. 

Yes, that's the episode.  Though, being accepting of the fact that one might die doesn't necessarily mean you want to... you just know it's a possibility and you accept that possibility because whatever you're doing that's dangerous is worth it.  It doesn't mean you reject a sense of self-preservation, though.  However, Hannibal's attitude at times seems to almost be like it absolutely doesn't matter to him at all.  "I might die?  Sounds fun!"

Aug 24, 2023 19:08:23 GMT -5 amyk said:

I do think Hannibal is a good leader and respects what others tell him. While there is a bit of arrogance about him, or perhaps "cockiness," I think that he is still smart enough to know when he needs to go along with someone else's ideas. He always seems open to suggestions from the others. And I think he is wise enough to know when to fight and when not to fight, even when to surrender if necessary.

Sometimes he really is, even at times that surprise me (even in situations where I think in other episodes, they would fight).

Yes, he always kinda shocks me when he gives up in the show, although it is usually the only reasonable thing he can do, but it is still shocking... I mean, it is THE Hannibal. One could think that his pride might get in the way, and still, it doesn't.

[amyk]

But in a sense, he may still have enough pride/arrogance to believe that they can always escape after getting captured. I think he must have been really frustrated when they are imprisoned in TRIAL BY FIRE that he can't figure out a plausible way for them to escape.

[Katia]

Aug 25, 2023 5:44:55 GMT -5 akin said:

Yes, he always kinda shocks me when he gives up in the show, although it is usually the only reasonable thing he can do, but it is still shocking... I mean, it is THE Hannibal. One could think that his pride might get in the way, and still, it doesn't.

I like when he can do this, though.  I mean, sometimes it disappoints me when they don't fight back, but I think it also shows Hannibal is mature enough to know when to not be reckless.  And, at times it's used to great effect, like in "Curtain Call" when he's shown to surrender to protect his friends (even though in reality he has a plan).

[akin]

Aug 26, 2023 19:44:12 GMT -5 Katia said:

Aug 25, 2023 5:44:55 GMT -5 akin said:

Yes, he always kinda shocks me when he gives up in the show, although it is usually the only reasonable thing he can do, but it is still shocking... I mean, it is THE Hannibal. One could think that his pride might get in the way, and still, it doesn't.

I like when he can do this, though.  I mean, sometimes it disappoints me when they don't fight back, but I think it also shows Hannibal is mature enough to know when to not be reckless.  And, at times it's used to great effect, like in "Curtain Call" when he's shown to surrender to protect his friends (even though in reality he has a plan).

Yes, he usually does that to protect the outsiders, or his team. When it comes to him, well, maybe not so much, but that is the jazz at its purest. Hannibal is only lucky he has Face for his second in command, who is usually very careful and meticulous. Murdock is sometimes as crazy as Hannibal and BA can survive everything through the sheer power of his well...power

[Katia]

Although it gives you pause when even Murdock is apprehensive about Hannibal's plans, lol.

[akin]

Aug 28, 2023 22:12:57 GMT -5 Katia said:

Although it gives you pause when even Murdock is apprehensive about Hannibal's plans, lol.

Yhea, Murdock and Face are an awesome couple, because Murdock is super-smart, but sometimes the reality excapes him, while Face has the street-smarts and feet on the ground (not meaning to say Face is not smart, just different kind of smart). So if Murdock is apprehensive and Face is complaining (more than usual), Hannibal should really reconsider