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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 20, 2023 8:32:20 GMT -5
Those are some good points, Amy. Even with the numerous plot holes and confusion, this one is still a classic in my mind. But by today's standards, it's pretty weak in terms of plot.
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Post by Katia on Feb 20, 2023 12:06:07 GMT -5
WHY do people work out in sweat suits??? (In CA, no less...) I would diiiiiie.
Aaaaaand... this is the episode where, as a kid, I would've pointed out to my mom that see, it's not a good idea to drink your milk... (I've never liked the stuff for as long as I can remember, and have been glad I didn't watch this as a kid because I know my mom would've tried to use B.A. as an impetus to get me to drink my milk...)
How often do you think they go on those training trips? I wondered that, too. Surely they must keep in shape, though we're not shown how. Might be fun to see. I'm more preoccupied with how we were supposed to believe that Hannibal and Murdock were the most in shape! Face is obviously more athletic than all three, even BA. BA is all muscle but he wasn't made for timed obstacle courses. Yeah-- I think Dirk Benedict was into fitness in real life, so it makes sense. (Some time I'll post a link to the "Steel Stomachs" workout, lol.) But maybe they wanted to show that it's not always the person you expect? (I wonder... does the VA hospital have a gym?)
How often do you think they go on those training trips? That's hard to say. Hannibal seems to imply that they need this extra training because they were sloppy on their last job. Presumably, that is a job that we didn't get to see on-camera. (What was the job the week before? Were they sloppy?) I assumed we didn't get to see that one, no. (I always feel sort of slighted when they imply the team goes on jobs we don't get to see, haha.) Although, he did abandon a sick and unconscious BA... Maybe I should rethink this post!!! My jaw dropped at that part. It bugs me. Since when do they ever abandon a member of the team? Hannibal cuts and runs and leaves B.A. with those guys just like that. That is SO not what they do! This is the same guy who said "We go together, or we don't go at all." I mean, maybe he thought it would be better if he went for help rather than taking extra time to get B.A. out of there, when both of them may have become completely incapacitated. But if that was the case, they should have *shown* us that. Because with the way they did it, it looked like he was like, "gotta get out of here to save my own skin, B.A. who?"
How do the bad guys know to get Murdock? Most baddies or police/military only go after 3. Even in SHOWDOWN the pretend team didn’t have a Murdock. Same in BOUNTY, how did the bounty hunters know to get Murdock from the VA? Maybe he’s not as much of a ‘secret’ weapon as he thought! 😁 OOH, good point. I didn't catch that. I think Murdock would be happy to get credit as being on the team, though...
I'm curious to know what others on the forum think.....would you all have liked there to be a scene after Hannibal recovers with just him and Dr. Sullivan, maybe more of a romantic scene? I totally want to 'ship those two. I wish Dr. Sullivan had appeared again. It would have been neat to have her appear in season 5. I definitely would've liked to see more of her, with or without a slight romance angle.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 21, 2023 8:42:27 GMT -5
Maybe I'm the exception here, but I guess him leaving B.A. behind didn't bother me.
Hannibal knew he was poisoned and was not going to be able to save him alone. He made a tactful retreat and got help. Then went hunting. I would guess it severely pained him for that to happen, but he knew the value of him being free to the others, if they still lived.
I wonder how they would have captured Hannibal or were they always assuming he would help B.A. and get captured there?
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Post by amyk on Feb 21, 2023 23:34:38 GMT -5
I never think of it as Hannibal abandoning BA. I think that Hannibal is considering the situation and doing what he needs to do in order to help BA as well as the other team members. He knows that if he stays, especially with his own condition worsening, he is just going to be captured as well. I think he realizes he has to first get help for himself in order to be able to help the rest of the team. I actually like this about him - that he knows when he needs help.
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Post by Katia on Feb 22, 2023 18:33:22 GMT -5
Maybe I'm the exception here, but I guess him leaving B.A. behind didn't bother me. Hannibal knew he was poisoned and was not going to be able to save him alone. He made a tactful retreat and got help. Then went hunting. I would guess it severely pained him for that to happen, but he knew the value of him being free to the others, if they still lived. The presentation was a big part of the reason it bugged me so much; like I said, they could've explained it better but the way they shot it, it looked like he simply forgot B.A. existed and was out of there (at the very least they could've had him say "B.A., I'll be back with help" or something to make it clear). The other reason was because he had *no* idea what they might do to B.A. while he was gone. He might come back with help... to a bunch of dead friends.
I wonder how they would have captured Hannibal or were they always assuming he would help B.A. and get captured there? Ooh, I do, too. What do you all suppose? If I was going to catch Hannibal, how would I do it?
(I suppose it's also possible the bad guys simply figured, divide and conquer. They may have thought that if they could eliminate most members of a team, even if they didn't get them all, those who were left might not have the skills, or might be too demoralized, to be effective on their own.)
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Post by amyk on Feb 23, 2023 0:00:31 GMT -5
What bothers me more than Hannibal fleeing the scene is when he is shooting right around BA's semi-lifeless body. Also, I would think the bad guys would just take BA hostage, point a gun at his head and say "if you don't surrender, your friend is dead!" to Hannibal.
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 23, 2023 0:21:49 GMT -5
What bothers me more than Hannibal fleeing the scene is when he is shooting right around BA's semi-lifeless body. Also, I would think the bad guys would just take BA hostage, point a gun at his head and say "if you don't surrender, your friend is dead!" to Hannibal. I agree with Amy. I have always hated how Hannibal is using B.A. as a shield and everyone is willfully and recklessly firing guns around him. Katia: I think he didn't say anything because B.A. seemed to be unconscious. If he wasn't, why stay on the table with bullets flying!?
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Post by Katia on Feb 23, 2023 22:31:13 GMT -5
Katia: I think he didn't say anything because B.A. seemed to be unconscious. If he wasn't, why stay on the table with bullets flying!? Oh, I think he was, too, but it would've been a quick and easy way to show what Hannibal was thinking. (And I can't be the only person who's talked to someone who's unconscious or asleep, just because... just in case...)
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 24, 2023 8:51:46 GMT -5
Katia: I think he didn't say anything because B.A. seemed to be unconscious. If he wasn't, why stay on the table with bullets flying!? Oh, I think he was, too, but it would've been a quick and easy way to show what Hannibal was thinking. (And I can't be the only person who's talked to someone who's unconscious or asleep, just because... just in case...) True. I talk to my kids all the time when they are asleep. I just think that with everything going on, it didn't bother me that he left him behind so he could recover.
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Post by amyk on Feb 24, 2023 19:37:26 GMT -5
What also bothers me is that Hannibal didn't know where Mr. Harper's wife and kid were being held, right? So with causing all those explosions when he got the team, he could have killed them, couldn't he?
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Post by Katia on Feb 25, 2023 20:30:25 GMT -5
Oddly enough, I'd probably tell him just because I'd feel rude not saying something when I left and explaining why, even if I was certain he couldn't hear it!
Still haven't figured out how I'd catch Hannibal, but the more I think about it, the more I'm still pretty sure I'd get Amy by telling her the guys needed her.
Hannibal... I dunno; maybe they didn't have the bad guys catch him because they couldn't think of a way, either? I mean, what, tell him an agent for a cool new monster movie wants to do lunch to discuss casting him? (Since the others were caught by way of caricature-type aspects of their personalities, I guess they'd have to do it for Hannibal, too.)
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Post by amyk on Feb 25, 2023 22:52:10 GMT -5
Yeah, maybe they could catch Hannibal by playing to his ego about his monster-portrayal abilities! Actually, Stockwell caught him through the whole monster portrayal gig, right?
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Post by HoudiniDerek on Feb 27, 2023 11:57:15 GMT -5
Even though we eventually learn where they were kept, yes, it was disappointing to see Hannibal brazenly attack the place without knowing. However, he was probably thinking that the team would not be near other prisoners, just in case. To me, Hannibal would be the hardest to catch. Especially with his ability to do disguises, they might not even realize they had him if they called in his agent.
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