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Post by celine on Apr 15, 2013 19:25:41 GMT -5
I don't think that DB's Face is soft. I think he just likes to whine about stuff, but I think he is tough as nails. But was perhaps even more so in 'Nam, as the situation called for it. Really? Sometimes I am genuinely startled by how different our opinions can be. Not just you and me, but a lot of us on the forum. I think 'are we even watching the same show?' this gives me an idea for a thread. Soft is a euphemism for what I really think military guys would call Face. Begins with a p.... I love Face... he's my second favorite character, so I always feel bad that I sound down on him, but my perception of him is SO different from a lot of others on the forum.
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Post by Bexii on Apr 15, 2013 20:06:48 GMT -5
Oh, I'm certain that Face probably would be called that word beginning with 'p' by the "real" military. However, despite the fact that he would do mostly anything to avoid anything physical, he shows little hesitation pointing a loaded firearm at someone and uses it without question. Whether the bullets actually hit is a totally different story altogether.
See, I actually believe that Face could probably get away with a fair bit of stuff because of how he holds himself and the way he dresses. If you were unsure of what he is actually capable of, you would not pose him as a threat at all, would you? So, I suppose that gives him the added advantage. I think he knows that too. He isn't stupid. Plus, to be perfectly honest, non of us actually know what he is truly capable of because we have yet to witness him at "breaking point". We've witnessed Hannibal at this point (Deadly Manouvers). We've witnessed Murdock at this point (his "angry walk"). BA always seems to be at this point anyway. Face, however, is all snark and Gucci. We've seen him mad but have never really seen him "mad", have we?
To me, the fact that we were never shown this, adds a little extra flare - a little mystery - to his character. I wonder if this is similar to the endless Murdock "is he" "isn't he" question? Some of his behaviours could be questioned in this manner. Could his behaviour/attitude be more dangerous if he truly were insane? Or, if he is the complete opposite, does this make him more deadly because he is of sound mind? Those sorts of examples and questions...
Nonetheless, I, honest to God, believe that if Face were ever pushed to "that" point, he would be a nasty piece of work. I really do believe that...
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Post by sidney on Apr 15, 2013 20:21:45 GMT -5
The thing about Face is he's not as laid back as the others. Maybe we haven't seen him at that breaking point because he's always somewhat agitated and highstrung. He often seems to worry. Murdock and Hannibal seem so vicarious most of the time - so laid back - so when they're angry, you can really tell.
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Post by Bexii on Apr 15, 2013 20:52:01 GMT -5
While it is true that he may not be as laid back in the conventional way as Hannibal or Murdock are, he is laid back in a sense that he seems to take a lot of things with a pinch of salt - Hannibal's plans, for example. The ironic thing is that, despite the fact that his morals are less than honorable and that he lies for a living, he seems to be the voice of reason. He does worry yes, however the things that he worries about are things that, given the circumstances, they really ought to take into consideration.
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Post by sidney on Apr 15, 2013 20:55:49 GMT -5
Yeah, I do agree he is the voice of reason quite regularly.
You know what I really don't like? The times Murdock questions Hannibal. It's so out of character for him to give Hannibal a hard time for his plans - like after Hannibal impersonated the cop to get them out of the police station in MALTESE COW. I always am, like, why are you upset?
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Post by celine on Apr 15, 2013 23:17:52 GMT -5
The thing about Face is he's not as laid back as the others. Maybe we haven't seen him at that breaking point because he's always somewhat agitated and highstrung. He often seems to worry. Murdock and Hannibal seem so vicarious most of the time - so laid back - so when they're angry, you can really tell. Yes I agree with. I think face is sort of the Thoroughbred of the group. He's always a bit high strung. I truly don't perceive him is dangerous. Even if he hit a breaking point, which I guess we sort of see with family reunion but that is with Murdock, not an enemy. Interestingly, we actually do see face hit the breaking point in the movie. I think he's the only character that we actually get to see hit the breaking point in the movie....
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Post by sidney on Apr 16, 2013 5:20:27 GMT -5
Well, I don't think I do, actually. I guess it depends on your definition of breaking point. He was really upset right before Murdock told him he had the most to lose... That looked like a breaking point. Otherwise Face looked like he was on the jazz the whole time - like he was just loving the danger the whole time.
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Post by Bexii on Apr 16, 2013 7:29:34 GMT -5
I have always assumed that Face does reach breaking point during "Family Reunion", but much later on. We see him visibly shocked and upset onscreen, but I am guessing that once everything finally sinks in, he will completely erupt. I am also betting that he would come to blows with Murdock during that point too, which is what could have brought their friendship back to what it was before because surely there must have been some tension between the pair of them. I mean, this was a big thing!
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Post by Bexii on Apr 16, 2013 7:36:20 GMT -5
You know what I really don't like? The times Murdock questions Hannibal. It's so out of character for him to give Hannibal a hard time for his plans - like after Hannibal impersonated the cop to get them out of the police station in MALTESE COW. I always am, like, why are you upset? Is that the time where they are all oddly upset with Hannibal? If that's the case then I do think it was weird. I mean, Hannibal has done much worse... Have there been any other times when this has happened? You wouldn't think it would because Murdock and Hannibal are near enough on the same page when it comes to these sorts of things.
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Post by celine on Apr 16, 2013 10:23:05 GMT -5
Well, I don't think I do, actually. I guess it depends on your definition of breaking point. He was really upset right before Murdock told him he had the most to lose... That looked like a breaking point. Otherwise Face looked like he was on the jazz the whole time - like he was just loving the danger the whole time. No! Not that part at all. The part where they find out that it was Morrison who's behind everything. And Face tries to shoot him in the head right front of everybody else and Hannibal and Murdock And BA have to stop him. He's yelling. He's shaking. He's almost crying. And he's begging to shoot somebody in cold blood. Then when he can't, he storms outside kicks something on the way out, and then starts accusing Hannibal of actually knowing about the whole thing and not telling them. That's a pretty big meltdown. I think that was a breaking point.
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Post by sidney on Apr 16, 2013 12:56:22 GMT -5
I totally don't remember that part!
There are other times Murdock mentions that Hannibal has gone too far, or something similar. Like, when they all say they don't want to partner with him in a fight. You'd think Murdock would think it was funny. Maybe. I don't know.
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Post by celine on Apr 16, 2013 13:00:35 GMT -5
I totally don't remember that part! There are other times Murdock mentions that Hannibal has gone too far, or something similar. Like, when they all say they don't want to partner with him in a fight. You'd think Murdock would think it was funny. Maybe. I don't know. You need to watch the movie again then! ;D Wait are we talking movie or series Murdock? I don't remember movieMurdock questioning Hannibal at all? I remember him saying stuff like "this plan is bat@#% crazy. I love it." Did you watch my Bradley Cooper links? Trying to appeal to your emotion to like him!LOL
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Post by sidney on Apr 17, 2013 5:18:24 GMT -5
I have been inconsistent in this thread. Usually I follow Bexii's lead and when I refer to Movie(!)Face, I add that extra prefix. And same with Movie(!)Murdock and Fake(!)Face is Tim Dunnigan. But I see in this thread I didn't do that.
It's real Murdock that doubted the colonel.
I liked Will in ALIAS. Maybe it's just because he's such a big star now that I've been soured to him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2013 6:27:33 GMT -5
I have been inconsistent in this thread. Usually I follow Bexii's lead and when I refer to Movie(!)Face, I add that extra prefix. And same with Movie(!)Murdock and Fake(!)Face is Tim Dunnigan. But I see in this thread I didn't do that. It's real Murdock that doubted the colonel. I liked Will in ALIAS. Maybe it's just because he's such a big star now that I've been soured to him. In one of the other threads, I mentioned that the episodes weren't shown in order. I'll give you another example - Tim Dunnigan and Dirk Benedict. I always remembered Dirk as Face, so when I'd seen a few episodes, one showed up with the other one, also playing Face. I thought: "Wtf..?" Didn't realize it was the pilot episode. Tim Dunnigan might've been the original, but I couldn't stand him. I thought he was awful. Fake(!)Face indeed!
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Post by Bexii on Apr 17, 2013 6:45:39 GMT -5
Well, I don't think I do, actually. I guess it depends on your definition of breaking point. He was really upset right before Murdock told him he had the most to lose... That looked like a breaking point. Otherwise Face looked like he was on the jazz the whole time - like he was just loving the danger the whole time. No! Not that part at all. The part where they find out that it was Morrison who's behind everything. And Face tries to shoot him in the head right front of everybody else and Hannibal and Murdock And BA have to stop him. He's yelling. He's shaking. He's almost crying. And he's begging to shoot somebody in cold blood. Then when he can't, he storms outside kicks something on the way out, and then starts accusing Hannibal of actually knowing about the whole thing and not telling them. That's a pretty big meltdown. I think that was a breaking point. I remember this scene. It was very epic and very well acted as well. In fact, this is one of the few scenes that have been imprinted into my memory. Another part I loved ... and it really was a tiny part too ... was when Murdock scrunched up his cap and the look in his eyes as he did it. His reaction was the complete opposite of Face's but you could tell how betrayed he felt by it all just by that simple movement. Also, I have to refer to their movie counterparts as Movie!Face because, unless I am directly responding about the movie only (see above), I just end up confusing myself. In fact, I think I did just that a few posts back. I was posting about Face reaching breaking point and I had to double check to make sure I was responding about the right Face.
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